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Jane

Praying for you. Also -- can you get in to see your doctor/therapist asap?

Anita Tedaldi

I wish I had comforting words for you. I'll start by saying that your post was beautiful and real. I often have anxiety and panic and while it's different than depression I feel your pain and I too seem to be functional but inside is a volcano of thoughts and emotions (I should be lava mom :))

My mom (psychologist) always tells me that this too shall pass and while I'm in it though it doesn't help it gives me a glimpse of better times.

Practically doing things that are outdoors or keep me busy (and not so much on the computer) help. I also find Yoga helpful (if you can make it to the class).


Last thing - I have a book called feel the fear and do it anyway by Susan Jeffers. It's about doing things despite or with all of these emotions.

I don;t know you in person but I'm sending you a hug and an internet shoulder to lean on if you ever need...

Sincerely,
Anita (aka Lava mom)

Natasha

Doctor? Yes. Will consider new meds, though the thought scares me. This one has never had side effects other than headaches for three weeks. Who knows with a new prescription?

Therapist? Ehn. Katie is probably my best therapist and she's great but there's only so much she can fix. Some things are just next to impossible to feel happy about.

Natasha

I've heard of that book and funny thing-- that's a part of my new life philosophy! And I was doing things I didn't really want to do because I wanted to be more spontaneous and lively and joyful instead of worrying about silly things or instead of caring about the to-do lists.

Sigh.

Thanks Anita (And Jane-- forgot to say thanks).

Jude

Yes I so would still have married you had I known,would have made myself better informed though.It would have been better for both of us if I had a better understanding of the disorder years ago. No one is more delightful than you on your good days.It is almost impossible to believe on those days you have an issue.Those days it is the thought of you that allows my life to transcend my own limiting experiences and grasp a joy that originates in you. On your bad days I just miss you.On those days I repeat my favorite poem to myself and think of all that you mean to so many people,love Jude.

mylittlesoapbox

Last fall I was blue. Not Depressed just depressed. A friend suggested adding some spices to my life. They won't fix everything but maybe they'll help just a little bit. And all those little bits that you try will add up right? Anyway I baked cinnamon rolls, found a clove smelly diffuser, made mulled cider. Think of all those holidays spices that are warm and comforting supposedly they also can help lighten a souls load.


Sara

I have no idea what to do or say. So instead I will tell you what I won't do:

1)I won't pretend to fathom the depths of depression. I am your polar bear.

2)I won't send you a casserole. (but I will roll my eyes at your lack of enjoying them)

3)I won't sugar coat it and tell you 'it will all be okay' because that's not what you need to hear.

Though I can't say I understand, in this post and previous ones, you've done an excellent job of letting me glimpse into that dark world and my heart aches for you and everyone else that is there.

People love and care for you (me, being one of many) and will be patient while you work through this.

I'm off tomorrow if you want to talk. xoxx Sar

P.S. If my bed head might cheer you up, let me know. I"ll Photobooth it before I even pee :)

Gabby Valentine

It's so difficult to deal with depression. You know my thoughts a.k.a "novels". If you need to vent let me know. I'm here! I'm no therapist (obviously) but you might get a laugh at least.
Singing helps me. That's why I sing so much. Hearing a fun song can pick me up. I had an old TuPac CD and blasted it in the minivan on the way to/from Walmart (need to be in that peopleofwalmart site!) Me & the kids were bustin a move in our seats. It was fun. We got weird looks though. Eating works for me as well, but it's not healthy to do that.

zenamamma

hey,I love you; depression it is a deep dark hole which I have lived in for many years....I feel so sad knowing you are in there, wish I could pull you out....praying for you....
wanna try some EMPower?!

Natasha

Thanks, sweetie.

No one is more delightful? Not even Daisy?

This just made me cry because that's why I'm always so surprised and angry
when I get like this. It feels like a whole other world. I become a
prisoner to myself. And where's the Happy Tash warden? She abandoned me.

I keep looking for the key to get out. If I could just snap out of it long
enough, maybe I could coast the wave to shore. Or something that makes more
sense. So, if I can laugh long enough or if I can be distracted long
enough. But 1. I find something within my distraction to be
sad/angry/grumpy about and then I have to start all over, or 2. It just
doesn't last long enough.

Is your favourite poem: There was a little girl who had a little curl right
in the middle of her forehead. When she was good she was very, very good
but when she was bad she was horrid. ?? TELL ME THAT'S NOT YOUR FAVOURITE
POEM. Because we would have to have a poetry day.

Natasha

Maybe lots of little things could add up. That's certainly not stupid
thinking. Maybe that's why I've been wearing my new perfume so much. It
smells natural and musty like Wales. I was really happy there. And gosh, I
miss the rain. It's been really hot here. I absolutely loathe being hot.

Natasha

I will call tomorrow, Sare. Thanks.

Natasha

Ya, I did go to McDonald's today. Mostly because I just didn't want to make
anything. Then later I did anyway. But right now, sticking to my healthy
eating plan means a lot to me. My health depends upon it, my weight depends
upon it (not that I'm losing ANYTHING) and my pact with Louise matters to
me.

I have tried blasting the feel good tunes and... Nothing. I'm too far gone.

Natasha

I was taking my EMPower today and had a little conversation with you about
it where you said just that and then I thought, Nah, Pam wouldn't say that
because she knows that some things are just hard for people. It just not
easy for me to stick to taking minimum 8 pills everyday-- and that's just
the EMPower! It would be like if I said to someone with a weight issue,
"Just start lifting weights, running, and eating lots of tabouli and nuts!
Or stop complaining!" It's not that easy, right? Remembering AND taking
that many pills everyday is really, really hard for me.

But I also know that you were half teasing. :-)

Thanks.

Marilyn (ALotofLoves)

I've tried to write something at least five times and deleted everything I wrote. Basically I don't know what to say. Cause I know there's nothing that really helps. What you describe sounds horrible and rough. Bleak and sad. I hope it doesn't last too long. I hope you'll be out on the other side soon. I hope your voodoo doctor will help. It sounds like you have a good support system with great friends and what your husband wrote was lovely.

Steph

Well since I had 3 anxiety attacks today... I may not be the person to talk to. But it does sneak up on you. Just yesterday I was having the best day celebrating my hubby's birthday. Today... blah.

Per my fabulous therapist. I always try to do things that I love. Get out of the house. Spend time with my family. It seems to help me. Granted it takes time. But it does get better. I wish there was a magic pill.

I hope you feel better. Call me if you need to talk... granted you probably want someone that is a little less crazy to talk to.

Steph

I like to say granted I guess.

Natasha

That's really sweet that you tried five times to write something. The
internet is amazing. You are lovely. Thank you.

Natasha

LOL. I didn't even notice you said it twice til you pointed it out.

If I need someone crazy to talk to, I'll totally call.

Do your panic attacks really sneak up out of no where or are you thinking
things to cause them to come? I was not thinking anything to cause myself
to flip out. But I had been ignoring, deflecting, and talking myself
through thoughts in previous weeks. But nothing that day.

Steph

They do just kind of hit me. But I know the triggers. I just take on too much. And I don't know when to stop until it is too late. So now I will begin the cycle of saying no... Scaling back... And getting right with the world. Then feel excellent... Take on the world... And go crazy. Even after 4 years of this I still haven't quite figured out my tipping point.

It sounds like your anxiety is triggered by depression whereas I start with anxiety which eventually makes me feel worthless and depressed. We are opposite twinners.

I have tons of breathing excersises to work through panic attacks. Almost just like Lamaze.

Lesa

I've been trapped in the pits of depression many times and have almost wished for death as an escape. Almost...but then I'm shamed for thinking of such a selfish release to my petty problems...and then I'm terrified that the idea even came into my head. Depression is a very sneaky disease and the triggers seem to change on a whim like the direction of the winds. Happy happy crying sad... Living with the fear of another bout is horrible. As much as I hate having to take EffexorXR and hate all of the side effects, I think I hated my life and myself more before I started taking it. I've tried to go off it because well meaning loved ones don't think I should have anything to be depressed about. The outcome of these attempts has never been positive. It's crappy having a disease that doesn't manifest physical symptoms. If depression caused huge tumors or a raging fever, maybe people would try to open their minds and understand it a little better. No, I'm not a drama queen. No, I'm not "milking it". I.just.can't.stop.crying.right.now. If people only understood how terrifying it is to feel like you've completely lost control of yourself... I have no suggestions for you other than to cross your fingers and risk the side effects of a new drug in the hopes that it will be "the" drug. I don't pretend to walk in your shoes, but I sure sympathize...and empathize... My heart hurts for you.
Much love,
Lesa

Sue

I don't have any advice and therefore probably should just slink away quietly. I'm not a quiet slinker so I'll just try to be brief.

You could be writing about me. Exactly. The sneaking up, the panic that seems to come from nothing, the embarrassment. It's comforting yet not, knowing that someone else knows what I go through. I'm so sorry for you. And me. And anyone else who feels like this or has to live and deal with those of us who do.

Susan Horner

Oh, Natasha, I'm so sorry. I don't know what to say, just sending you love.

tere

Have you seen this video called "Invisible Woman" on youtube? I think it would help you to feel much better, it worked to me:)
love,

J

Hi there,

I've never commented on your blog before, but I read it from time to time because although we are at very different places in life, faith and pretty much every possible other thing (except for geographic location)... I come back for posts like this. Your title drew me first, because it's something I've also felt.

Thank you so much for writing this. I have always felt strange explaining how my bipolar/undiagnosed random crazy affects me, but this post really summed the depression up perfectly. It made me feel less crazy and more crazy at the same time. Less crazy because there's someone out there who not only feels like me, but exactly as I do. More crazy because it's always difficult to read something that highlights everything you hate about yourself but never verbalized.

Everything, everything, from wanting to tear your own face off, to your desperate distraction techniques, silent screaming and the horrible, clawing feeling like if you live five minutes longer you will just DIE. The panic of it, the trapped feeling of being in your own skin...in a life you chose... This is the perfect portrait of me in my darkest and most terrible days.

I can't say, like you, that I am doing anything about it. I wish I were, but one suicide risk ER visit later I'm just as messed up as ever. I'm so jealous of people who feel normal. I want to walk up to them and say "What's that like?" but of course they don't know what it's like any more than a blind person knows what it's "like" being blind. It just is.

I won't bore you anymore with my life story, but thank you, thank you. I cried reading this post. <3

Rebecca

Hey..I just came across your blog via...via..some other blog. I don't even peruse blogs..it makes my brain crazy. But I looked at yours because 3 years ago I started writing a book entitled "Becoming Something"..so I had to check you out.

I only read all the things you'd like to do before you are cold and dead in the ground (I may have taken a little liberty with that, but isn't it the truth?!) and this post. I have to say I wish I lived next door (I did used to live in Calgary with my college roommate's family. I worked in their flower shop next to their morgue! Yikes!)

Anyway..I digress. So I just appreciate your honesty and complete humor despite depression. Would you consider writing a chapter or two in my book (it has a new title now)? Who knows if it will be published. I know people who know people who know people...so it could work out without a hitch. :)

How's the EMpower working? I have two bottles of it in my stash, but I couldn't get passed the gritty taste. It made me gag. But I have heard lots of great things about it, which is of course why I bought it!

Anyway..thanks for your great posts. I'll read more later. Let me know about the book thing, it could be a bestseller and we could be on Oprah (if we hurry..we only have like, 3 months!)

Natasha

Sounds intriguing, Rebecca! More info, please. :-)

I know, we're really running out of time to be on Oprah, aren't we?

The EMPower pills (not powder--which is heinous)-- I stopped taking them after I ran out and I've been fine ever since. I think my Zoloft was making me depressed. I've since read (and been told by my doctor) that if you're prone to bipolarism, either from family history or personal experience, that it can really turn your crank.  I've dropped Zoloft and I've been pretty fine. I still have low-grade depression sometimes because I'm tired a lot and tired of working so hard to be healthy, but otherwise I'm fine.


Nice to "meet" you!

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Things I Want to Do Before I'm Dead/Crazy

  • 1. Learn to play the freakin' guitar already.

    2. Taste black truffles.

    3. Meet Oprah and thank her.

    4. Go white water rafting again. Maybe a girlfriend getaway.

    5. Visit New York City for two weeks.

    6. Build a self-sustaining healthy house on a plot of land large enough to have a big, gorgeous dog that never poops close to home, some sheep, a big garden, and fruit trees but close enough to other people that if someone came to murder us, there would be people to hear the gunshots. Yes, I think of these things. Often.

    7. Publish a work of mostly fiction. Change the names and details of people I know such that they really have no idea I'm writing about them, the fools.

    8. Go to art school.

    9. Own a log cabin on a lake where you're allowed to shoot people if they seadoo. Because that's two sports in one: Cottaging and Target Practice. Equally stress relieving, I'd imagine.

    10. Compost with worms.

    11. Finish knitting Montana's baby blanket.

    12. Travel Europe and Russia with Jude.

    13. Throw a neighborhood carnival block party, raising money for a family in need or other worthy cause.

    14. Somehow make international adoption easier. Get airlines to give free airfare to people who are picking up their international adoptive children.

    15. Learn pottery.

    16. Maybe do a mini-marathon. Note the hesitation.

    17. Get nearly all my body hair lasered off. Celebrate with a naked stroll in a park. (Yes, that's a joke but I shouldn't have to say so.)

    18. Learn to really sing.

    19. Go scuba diving somewhere really colourful and take photos. And live to develop them.

    20. Go horseback riding again.

    21. Make pesto from scratch.

    22. Make a stuffed salmon encased in pastry that's cut to look like a salmon.

    23. Learn to really, properly swim.

    24. Have an all-girlfriend canoeing-camping trip with someone who can play guitar. Woman with the longest leg hair the next day doesn't have to paddle back.

    25. Memorize all the best Scrabble words and tactics.

    26. Send my boy on a mission abroad and have him come home a man, in one piece.

    27. Lead some kind of teen counseling sessions-- maybe for sexually abused girls?

    28. Develop all my online photos with journaling comments before Facebook experiences a server failure or some equally horrific turn of events.

    29. Live in Venice, Italy for a few months.

    30. Grow peonies.

    31. Learn to can my own fruits and veggies and then actually do it.

    32. Visit Vancouver.

    33. Visit the Salt Lake Temple.

    34. Roll down grassy green hills in Ireland. Leave before I fall in love with some rogueish Irishman with THAT ACCENT! See how thoughtful I am, Jude?

    35. Catch some fireflies again. Then let them go.

    36. Catch some frogs. Then let them go.

    37. Get my braces off. Celebrate by rubbing bread and carrots and salmon all over my teeth and then making out with Jude.

    38. Get into really fantastic shape. Feel strong and healthy.

    39. Become buddies with Julia Roberts and Jennifer Garner. We would totally mesh.

    40. Replace my husband's suits and successfully condition him to iron his clothes and enjoy piecing together stylish outfits.

    41. Write a song and sing it/play it for Jude.

    42. Be in the chorus of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat.

    43. Finish reading War and Peace by Tolstoy.

    44. Read The Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens.

    45. Have a house of mine appear in Canadian House & Home Magazine.

    46. See a ghost or an angel. Anyone from another realm will do.

    47. See Prairie Home Companion live.

    48. See Jack Johnson play from the front row someplace intimate.

    49. See Cathy achieve her dreams, however that happens.

    50. Be so rich that I can give away money and help all the time to people who both need it and deserve it. Teach a man to fish and all that.

    51. Buy a much nicer camera.

    52. See Les Miserables live.

    53. Learn Photoshop.

    54. Get this house finished.

    55. Enjoy grass and tree ownership again.

    56. Visit the Great Wall of China and leave my name on it somewhere.

    57. Become fluent in French.

    58. Learn basic Italian.

    59. Become fluent in sign language.

    60. Become a pretty good chess player.

    61. Memorize more jokes.

    62. Remember history studied and study more.

    63. Become more charitable in my heart.

    64. Have an Etsy store.

    65. Visit London, bump into Jude Law and have him quickly fall in love with me then turn him away because I'm married and Mormon enough to care that I'm married, which will only make him love me all the more, of course.

    66. Design my own house blueprints.

    67. Teach Daisy to read and watch her silently devour books.

    68. Be in a musical/play with Daisy.

    69. Take a hot air balloon ride only for a mile and only about 100 feet in the air because that's just crazy to risk your life like that.

    70. Never visit Disneyland or Disneyworld. Ha!

    71. Make healthy cookies I actually love. For my grandkids.

    72. Learn how to break dance. Or at least do that move where you support your body just on your hands tucked under your belly? That move.

    73. Hold a hand stand for at least five seconds.

    74. Do a back flip. With a belt on. Tied to the ceiling.

    75. Hear James Taylor play live.

    76. Become friends with Rosie O'Donnell.

    77. Be able to roll in a kayak.

    78. Adopt some older children when my kids are older or be a foster parent.

    79. Have some of my poetry published. Under a different name.

    80. Have a butler's pantry right off my kitchen and have it extremely organized at all times.

    81. Raise my children to be nonjudgmental, kind, good, humble, open-minded but critical thinkers. And happy.

    82. See Jude write his book. Have it published.

    83. Swim in an Italian grotto.

    84. Host a dinner under a large canopy-like tree, with candle lanterns.

    85. Be able to do one pull-up.

    86. Meet Thomas S. Monson.

    87. See my sister happy and well-off in B.C. 88. Meet my all of my virtual friends.

    89. Teach my girls hand clapping games.

    90. Sleep in a hammock in Hawaii with mellow island beat music playing and with the waves splashing in the background.

    91. Go seashell hunting near the Bay of Fundy.

    92. Take a cottage vacation alone where I can read, and paint, and write and sleep for 13 hours straight.

    93. Be mortgage and debt-free.

    94. Get Lasik eye surgery.

    95. Hire a housecleaner and have her over twice a week FOREVER.

    96. Since my house will be so clean: Have fresh flowers year-round.

    97. Learn to juggle.

    98. Join Toastmasters.

    99. Learn to cook Indian.

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